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		By: Josh		</title>
		<link>https://travelingboy.com/travel/clash-of-religions-israel-vs-palestine/#comment-34141</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2024 05:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s some good stuff in here but the backwards premise that Israel is holding Christian ethics &quot;captive&quot; and destroying American democracy seems about six or seven decades outdated. And the idea that antisemitism is &quot;caused&quot; by Israel is myopic; a few thousand years of killing/persecuting/ethnically cleansing/colonizing Jewish communities were justified by everything, Jewish bubonic plague, capitalism, communism, puppeteering, and most frequently, sacrilege.

Certainly the grievances with Israel are far more substantive than persecuting all Jews as &quot;heathens&quot; but even your article feels the need to stick in some odd 2000-year old cliches of Jewish heathens as an anti-Christian scourge. How can we get an analysis of Israel&#039;s activities that stays focused on the tremendous threats to Palestinian existence and not the weird far-right inventions of Jews/Israelis/Zionists threating Christian spirituality and American freedoms?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s some good stuff in here but the backwards premise that Israel is holding Christian ethics &#8220;captive&#8221; and destroying American democracy seems about six or seven decades outdated. And the idea that antisemitism is &#8220;caused&#8221; by Israel is myopic; a few thousand years of killing/persecuting/ethnically cleansing/colonizing Jewish communities were justified by everything, Jewish bubonic plague, capitalism, communism, puppeteering, and most frequently, sacrilege.</p>
<p>Certainly the grievances with Israel are far more substantive than persecuting all Jews as &#8220;heathens&#8221; but even your article feels the need to stick in some odd 2000-year old cliches of Jewish heathens as an anti-Christian scourge. How can we get an analysis of Israel&#8217;s activities that stays focused on the tremendous threats to Palestinian existence and not the weird far-right inventions of Jews/Israelis/Zionists threating Christian spirituality and American freedoms?</p>
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		By: Skip Kaltenheuser		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skip Kaltenheuser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2024 01:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://travelingboy.com/travel/clash-of-religions-israel-vs-palestine/#comment-31219&quot;&gt;Chuck&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Chuck. 
Your kind feedback is much appreciated, including on my writing effort. Like many, I find topics like this tricky to address.
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For a couple of the other commenters…naw.

Better to put forth some sources I believe helpful to anyone seriously seeking to educate themselves on the horror before us, particularly those willing to go beyond what the often stifled mainstream media offers us.

Mondoweiss.net, with free newsletters you can sign up for, has long followed the sad saga of occupier and occupied, and does so with depth.

Scheerpost.com and ConsortiumNews.com have excellent writers who often address the topic. Start with a search for the always eloquent Chris Hedges. There are many good writers, including John Kiriakou and Patrick Lawrence, on a broad range of topics. Another capturing the pulse is LAProgressive.com. 

Do a search for James Bamford at TheNation.com. Bamford is the country&#039;s foremost journalist on intelligence agencies. Don’t miss (The Trump Campaign&#039;s Collusion With IsraelThe Nationhttps://www.thenation.com › Article). It should have been a thunderclap in Washington, but it roughed up the pet political and media narratives. There is nothing Israel wants more than the return of Trump.

DemocracyNow.org conducts excellent interviews with voices you won’t hear in the mainstream, from physicians who’ve toiled in Gaza hospitals under unspeakable conditions, such as here (https://www.democracynow.org/2024/4/11/surgeons_in_gaza) and here  (https://www.democracynow.org/2024/5/3/gaza_doctors), to a State Department Diplomat explaining why she resigned and the impacts of the attacks the US allows on Palestinians on the world&#039;s opinion of America, here  (https://www.democracynow.org/2024/5/3/state_dept). The Headlines the show starts with are quickly informative.

+972, 972mag.com, out of Israel-Palestine, offers a free newsletter, uniquely exploring many angles up close.

Israellobbycon.org has video and text of five or so ever-green conferences on Israel’s impacts on US policy and the history of Israel’s oppression. Excellent speakers. Among them is a very courageous journalist, Gideon Levy of the Israeli newspaper Haaretz. You could start with a couple of his keynotes, like here  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGO3eBxQX7Q) and here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw0qhmJlwVs&#038;t=59s).

Here’s one of the offerings of the esteemed Committee for the Republic with speakers Max Blumenthal &#038; Miko Peled, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz8G60wZwH4). Max edits TheGrayZone.com, Miko is former IDF and the son of a famous Israeli general, both know the territory.
Other Committee offerings include a broader range of topics but often touch on the military/industrial complex that is inseparable from considering our forced complicity. Explore at (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBCYe_EdsCwiEQ8jV3AMplQ/videos)

To see how vested Wall Street’s billionaire bullies are in Israel, (you can figure the implications), catch the offerings of WallStreetonParade.com, including  (https://wallstreetonparade.com/2024/05/campus-protests-over-gaza-open-a-pandoras-box-for-wall-street-megabanks-that-underwrote-8-billion-of-israels-bonds-in-march/)

Ryan Grim and others at TheIntercept.com do a great job uncovering falsehoods perpetuated by complicit government officials and media, including about pro-Palestinian protesters.

The morning Links at NakedCapitalism.com is a great quick glance at what’s in the wind, and will bring new forums your way.

Best luck sorting such matters out. As you do so, keep George Orwell in mind, “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.” Another favorite, “Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.” 

Orwell is on the money again, never bet against him.

Fortunate travels,
Skip]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://travelingboy.com/travel/clash-of-religions-israel-vs-palestine/#comment-31219">Chuck</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, Chuck.<br />
Your kind feedback is much appreciated, including on my writing effort. Like many, I find topics like this tricky to address.<br />
———</p>
<p>For a couple of the other commenters…naw.</p>
<p>Better to put forth some sources I believe helpful to anyone seriously seeking to educate themselves on the horror before us, particularly those willing to go beyond what the often stifled mainstream media offers us.</p>
<p>Mondoweiss.net, with free newsletters you can sign up for, has long followed the sad saga of occupier and occupied, and does so with depth.</p>
<p>Scheerpost.com and ConsortiumNews.com have excellent writers who often address the topic. Start with a search for the always eloquent Chris Hedges. There are many good writers, including John Kiriakou and Patrick Lawrence, on a broad range of topics. Another capturing the pulse is LAProgressive.com. </p>
<p>Do a search for James Bamford at TheNation.com. Bamford is the country&#8217;s foremost journalist on intelligence agencies. Don’t miss (The Trump Campaign&#8217;s Collusion With IsraelThe Nationhttps://www.thenation.com › Article). It should have been a thunderclap in Washington, but it roughed up the pet political and media narratives. There is nothing Israel wants more than the return of Trump.</p>
<p>DemocracyNow.org conducts excellent interviews with voices you won’t hear in the mainstream, from physicians who’ve toiled in Gaza hospitals under unspeakable conditions, such as here (<a href="https://www.democracynow.org/2024/4/11/surgeons_in_gaza" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.democracynow.org/2024/4/11/surgeons_in_gaza</a>) and here  (<a href="https://www.democracynow.org/2024/5/3/gaza_doctors" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.democracynow.org/2024/5/3/gaza_doctors</a>), to a State Department Diplomat explaining why she resigned and the impacts of the attacks the US allows on Palestinians on the world&#8217;s opinion of America, here  (<a href="https://www.democracynow.org/2024/5/3/state_dept" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.democracynow.org/2024/5/3/state_dept</a>). The Headlines the show starts with are quickly informative.</p>
<p>+972, 972mag.com, out of Israel-Palestine, offers a free newsletter, uniquely exploring many angles up close.</p>
<p>Israellobbycon.org has video and text of five or so ever-green conferences on Israel’s impacts on US policy and the history of Israel’s oppression. Excellent speakers. Among them is a very courageous journalist, Gideon Levy of the Israeli newspaper Haaretz. You could start with a couple of his keynotes, like here  (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGO3eBxQX7Q" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGO3eBxQX7Q</a>) and here (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw0qhmJlwVs&#038;t=59s" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw0qhmJlwVs&#038;t=59s</a>).</p>
<p>Here’s one of the offerings of the esteemed Committee for the Republic with speakers Max Blumenthal &amp; Miko Peled, (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz8G60wZwH4" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz8G60wZwH4</a>). Max edits TheGrayZone.com, Miko is former IDF and the son of a famous Israeli general, both know the territory.<br />
Other Committee offerings include a broader range of topics but often touch on the military/industrial complex that is inseparable from considering our forced complicity. Explore at (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBCYe_EdsCwiEQ8jV3AMplQ/videos" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBCYe_EdsCwiEQ8jV3AMplQ/videos</a>)</p>
<p>To see how vested Wall Street’s billionaire bullies are in Israel, (you can figure the implications), catch the offerings of WallStreetonParade.com, including  (<a href="https://wallstreetonparade.com/2024/05/campus-protests-over-gaza-open-a-pandoras-box-for-wall-street-megabanks-that-underwrote-8-billion-of-israels-bonds-in-march/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://wallstreetonparade.com/2024/05/campus-protests-over-gaza-open-a-pandoras-box-for-wall-street-megabanks-that-underwrote-8-billion-of-israels-bonds-in-march/</a>)</p>
<p>Ryan Grim and others at TheIntercept.com do a great job uncovering falsehoods perpetuated by complicit government officials and media, including about pro-Palestinian protesters.</p>
<p>The morning Links at NakedCapitalism.com is a great quick glance at what’s in the wind, and will bring new forums your way.</p>
<p>Best luck sorting such matters out. As you do so, keep George Orwell in mind, “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.” Another favorite, “Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.” </p>
<p>Orwell is on the money again, never bet against him.</p>
<p>Fortunate travels,<br />
Skip</p>
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		By: Jeff		</title>
		<link>https://travelingboy.com/travel/clash-of-religions-israel-vs-palestine/#comment-31258</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Your article is pretty vague. Are you for or against Palestine?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your article is pretty vague. Are you for or against Palestine?</p>
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		By: Samantha		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Paslestinian demonstrations are funded and orchestrated by someone or some moneyed oligarch. Many don&#039;t even know what they&#039;re fighting for.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Paslestinian demonstrations are funded and orchestrated by someone or some moneyed oligarch. Many don&#8217;t even know what they&#8217;re fighting for.</p>
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		By: Drake		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2024 15:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Israel Palestine conflict is very complicated. Both sides share fault. To say that one is more guilty than the other is like judging a case without all the evidence. 

When little kids quarrel they blame each other and cry out to Mom and Dad for justice. Sometimes the evidence speak for themselves but what do the parents do when it isn&#039;t clear? They send the kids to their rooms without supper and later, they ask them to say sorry to each other and shake hands --- sounds like a formula we can apply to these 2 &quot;kids.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Israel Palestine conflict is very complicated. Both sides share fault. To say that one is more guilty than the other is like judging a case without all the evidence. </p>
<p>When little kids quarrel they blame each other and cry out to Mom and Dad for justice. Sometimes the evidence speak for themselves but what do the parents do when it isn&#8217;t clear? They send the kids to their rooms without supper and later, they ask them to say sorry to each other and shake hands &#8212; sounds like a formula we can apply to these 2 &#8220;kids.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Heb who can't catch a break		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2024 01:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He, KKKALTENHEUSER... Give the Hebrews a break. They&#039;ve been persecuted for thousands of years longer that when you wrote your inflammatory article. Signed a Heb who can&#039;t catch a break.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He, KKKALTENHEUSER&#8230; Give the Hebrews a break. They&#8217;ve been persecuted for thousands of years longer that when you wrote your inflammatory article. Signed a Heb who can&#8217;t catch a break.</p>
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		By: Chuck		</title>
		<link>https://travelingboy.com/travel/clash-of-religions-israel-vs-palestine/#comment-31219</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Apr 2024 01:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very capitating piece, Mr Skip K...

I try to absorb all that is happening in the Middle East today, but the more I try to absorb, the less i know. Good piece of writing. - Chuck]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very capitating piece, Mr Skip K&#8230;</p>
<p>I try to absorb all that is happening in the Middle East today, but the more I try to absorb, the less i know. Good piece of writing. &#8211; Chuck</p>
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