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Bev Cohn: Matt Damon
Matt Damon on "Promised Land"
And His Clashing of Cultures
On Celebrating Christmas

Beverly Cohn
Entertainment Editor
The Road to Hollywood

Matt Damon
Matt Damon co-wrote with John Krasinski
and stars in "Promised Land." Courtesy Photo.
he versatile Matt Damon is Ilario in "Courage Under Fire," Rudy in "The Rainmaker," Will in "Good Will Hunting," Private Ryan in "Saving Private Ryan," Tom in "The Talented Mr. Ripley," Rannulph in "The Legend of Bagger Vance," Steve in "Finding Forrester," Linus in "Ocean's Twelve," Wilheim Grimm in "The Brothers Grimm," Bryan in "Syriana," Colin in "The Good Shepherd," Mark in "The Informant!" Francois Pienaar in "Invictus," Miller in "Green Zone," George in "Hereafter," Mitch in "Contagion," Benjamin in "We Bought a Zoo," "David in "The Adjustment Bureau," and while each of his performances are distinct and memorable, his character of Jason Bourne, in the Bourne trilogy, has earned a permanent place among some of the most exciting action film characters ever created.

An international movie star, Matt is also a devoted husband and father and he and his wife Luciana Barroso have four daughters: Alexia, Isabella, Gia, and Stella.

Matt recently sat down with a select group of journalists to discuss, among other personal topics, his latest film "Promised Land" which he co-wrote and co-stars in with John Krasinski. Directed by Gus Van Sant, the film also features Frances McDormand, Hal Holbrook, and Rosemarie DeWitt, and explores the controversial subject of hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking," a process of drilling and injecting fluid into the ground at a high pressure in order to fracture shale rocks to release natural gas inside.

The following has been edited for content and continuity for print purposes.

movie poster for the film We Bought a Zoo
John (Krasinski) and Matt wrote every Saturday and Sunday while he was shooting "We Bought A Zoo." Courtesy Photo.

What is the genesis of "Promised Land?"

Matt: Originally, John (Krasinski) had kicked around ideas with Dave Eggers (story writer) and they had come up with salesmen coming to a town to sell leases to drill for natural gas and the story was starting to coalesce and they started to think about these characters. Then Dave had to go write a book and John brought this to me and we agreed to sit down and write it and see what happens. We really wanted to write about American identity - where we've come from, where we are now, and where we're headed. We knew we wanted a hopeful ending and we wanted it to be a pro-community, pro-democracy type of movie.

How did the collaboration work?

Matt: He was doing the show ("The Office") and I was doing "We Bought A Zoo," so I was out in California and John would show up Saturday mornings for breakfast. We would write all day and then do it again on Sunday. Then during the week we would revise on our own and scribble notes in the margins and then we would come back and do it again. Within a couple of weeks it was clear that we were really making progress and that we might actually make a movie.

Matt Damon in a scene from the film Promised Land
The film attempts to present a balanced perspective on fracking.
Photo by Scott Green/Courtesy of Focus Features.

You presented a very balanced perspective on fracking. What kept you on that course?

Matt: We just didn't want to have an answer because it wasn't about that. In the end my character (Steve Butler) says, "This is your decision" and that's what why we didn't show the outcome of the vote. He goes to this woman (Rosemarie DeWitt) and is about to pitch her on a lease and she talks about not being the one to let her land go and talks about the garden where she brings the kids and he jokes "You're teaching farming kids how to garden?" And she says, "I'm teaching them how to take care of something." That idea of stewardship starts to get at him and he begins to feel like the democratic process is being hijacked by corporate malfeasance.

Matt Damon as Steve Butler in the film Promised Land
Matt's character of Steve Butler tries at first to convince the town that fracking is in their best interests. Photo by Scott Green/Courtesy of Focus Features.

Is this a good way to get across the message across?

Matt: Maybe it's a way to start a conversation because at the end the point is if you don't get involved in the decision, it's going to get made for you and that true. But nobody wants to go see a movie where they get a message so that really wasn't our intent. It was just to show this moment in time in our country and the stakes when big money collides with real people who are struggling on the back end of a recession.

Did you know a lot about fracking?

Matt: I had seen stories on fracking but hadn't really paid much attention to them. With four young kids, I just wasn't engaged with that subject, but when it became a potential backdrop for our movie, I started looking at it and the more we looked at it, the more we saw how people were divided. For some, it is a temporary lifeline, but there are potential downstream horrific outcomes. If you believe the energy industry, there are potential downstream benefits that we can't even imagine and geopolitical benefits. It's such a high stakes game, that it's a perfect place to set a movie because it's about the decisions we make as communities and taking responsibility and to show the human side without making it a polemic.

Matt Damon in a street scene from Promised Land
"It's a very complex issue (fracking) and people feel very strongly about it."
Photo by Scott Green/Courtesy of Focus Features.

What did your research reveal?

Matt: There are cases where people have refused to let companies drill on their land and these guys have gone to a neighboring property and came under their property taking it anyway (the natural gas). Those are the conversations that are going on and the decisions that a lot of these communities have to make are based on if they don't do it, they're going to do it next door so if there is a downside, we'll experience the downside anyway, and then there's obviously money in the middle of it. You have a lot of people who have become millionaires and did so to save their farms and to save their way of life. It's very complex and people feel very strongly about it.

Matt Damon's character meets with a town official in a scene from Promised Land
Matt's character meets with a town official to sell him on the financial advantages
of fracking. Photo by Scott Green/Courtesy of Focus Features.

Did you get feedback from the local farmers in Pennsylvania?

Matt: The first day we were filming some farmers showed up and asked if this was a movie about fracking and that we shouldn't say anything bad about it. There were people from the other side saying don't show a good side of this. It's terrible. It's ruining our water. It's causing climate change. People are getting sick.

When you're in character, as the writer if you hear a line that's not working how do you handle that?

Matt: If you and I were doing and scene and having a conversation, if a line wasn't working, it wouldn't be working for both of us. You'd feel it because something in the interaction wouldn't be quite right. It's not like putting on a different hat because there's so much overlap in all the disciplines, like writing and acting are intertwined a lot of the time. It's really about problem solving and I've come to look at it like a magic trick rather than when I started out when I believed that I had to live everything and live it all the time, but the more I learned about making films, the more I found that it is a magic trick pulled off by the creative team involved in making the film.

What's an example of making a shot work?

Matt: Let's say the shot is over my shoulder and it's on you. Now if I'm angsting away, all I'm doing is screwing up the shot, so the best thing I can do is to make sure I am exactly on my mark and then just be locked on you giving you whatever you need because the shot's about you and not about me.

So when can we do this? (laughter) (Matt continues his previous thought)

Matt: I think acting becomes less selfish and the more experience you have making movies, the less selfish you become about your process.

Was it hard to let go of your original intention to direct this film?

Matt: It was tough for me to give it up, but you know the joke John (Krasinski) made was that my greatest contribution as a producer was firing myself as the director and hiring Gus. (laughter) I would have been away too long from my family and that would have distracted me and I wouldn't have done a good job.

Do you have the same "giddiness" you had when you first began your acting career and how has your outlook changed?

Matt: I really love working. My life is different from fifteen years ago, but my love of doing this hasn't changed at all and I feel equally giddy to go to work and feel unbelievably lucky to work with people like (Steven) Soderbergh or Clint, (Eastwood) or Paul Greengrass. I've become more convinced fifteen years later that it's a director's medium and the most important choice is the director. I use to think script, director, and role and I do look at the role, and do I have something to bring to it, but it's really for me about working with the director. A great director can make a mediocre script into a great film, but a bad director will make a great script into a mediocre film.

Matt Damon with his wife Luciana Barroso and their 4 children
Matt with his wife Luciana Barroso, (far right) and their four daughters.
Courtesy photo.

Will you put directing on the back burner until the kids are older?

Matt: I could take them and we could go on an adventure together somewhere. Originally this was supposed to be shot in New York. We were going to try to do it in the zone which meant I could live at home and then as we started looking at stuff, we realized we were going to either go upstate or go to Pennsylvania so I would have been twelve weeks away in pre-production, six or seven weeks shooting and then I could have posted it (post production) and stayed at home and edited it wherever the kids were, but still it was too much.

Matt Damon and wife Luciana
Matt and his wife worked out their cultural differences on how to celebrate Christmas. Courtesy photo.

You're married to a woman (Luciana Barroso) from a different culture. Does it effect how you celebrate the holidays?

Matt: A big difference is they celebrate Christmas Eve and we celebrate Christmas Day and so we have this bizarre Christmas fusion where the kids open a bunch of presents after dinner on Christmas Eve and then again on Christmas morning. We're basically working it out, but it's a win win for the kids. (laughter) When I met my wife I was like Christmas Eve, what are you crazy? Who wants to get up on Christmas morning? What do we tell the kids - that Santa Claus came while we were having dinner? (laughter) And what does that teach them? This guy is working his ass off flying around the world and we don't even invite him to sit down and eat with us? (laughter) That's not a good lesson.

Are your children bi-lingual?

Matt: Some of them are. My two-year-old is bi-lingual. My four-year-old is not. We've been reading about how to do it and are still learning, so we've been hit or miss, but now we're very rigorous with our two-year-old. I speak a little Spanish but you really want one parent speaking one language and the other speaking the other language. I keep dreaming that Pedro Almodovar will give me a job (laughter) and I can go to a Spanish-speaking country and bring the kids. Spanish was my wife's first language and she went to kindergarten not speaking English because both her parents spoke Spanish in the house and she learned English right away. She was raised in Florida and here in southern California and you wouldn't think she spoke Spanish if you talked to her. So she's truly bi-lingual. So the kids hear a lot of Spanish around the house. They know more Spanish than they even think they know, but the only one really speaking it is our two-year-old.

Matt Damon as Jason Bourne
Matt Damon starred as the iconic Jason Bourne in the Bourne trilogy. Courtesy photo.

I can't resist asking this question. Is Jason Bourne out of your psyche?

Matt: No. I want to do another one. We were very close to making one a few years ago but we just couldn't crack the story. The studio made a deal with the estate that they had to get a Jason Bourne movie out for 2012 so when we couldn't figure out a story, they figured out another way to get a Jason Bourne movie out so they wouldn't be in breach of their contract with the estate and that's when Tony (writer Tony Gilroy) came up with the idea of doing one with Jeremy (Renner) and that's what they did. But, I talk to Paul (director Paul Greengrass) about it occasionally and it's really just a question of how do you bring a character back and is there a movie as good as the other three we did. If we felt like there was, then we'd do it, but we haven't cracked it yet. I gave it to Jonah Nolan who did such a beautiful job with the Batman mythology and met with him. He took a month to work on it but came back and said he can't figure out how to do it. We intended it to be a trilogy so the question is how do you get that character going again.

What gets you out of bed every morning and are you in fear of ever losing "it?"

Matt: Kids literally get me out of bed. (laughter) The important things I have and as far as my career…Well, look what happened to Ben (Affleck). He got put into actor jail for a while but we always felt we could write our way out of that. We came from nowhere, but if you can write, you can write yourself a part and that's what Ben did. He did it once with "Good Will Hunting," and then again with "The Town" and now "Argo," so that gives me hope that no matter what happens there's always that fall back position.

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Thanks so much for those lovely tourism photos, especially of Ireland. I certainly enjoyed all the places you suggested, and am working towards my next vacation. Don’t forget Cuba. That’s an exciting place.

Rosalie, Los Angeles

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Enjoyed your article on Mira Sorvino. Such an interesting background – family, education, career and now human rights activist. I'm not a gossip mag fan so getting more meaty news about movie celebrities from you gives me hope that there are some inteligent life forms in Hollywood.

Peter Paul, Pasadena, CA

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Thank you, Bev. This reminded me to go see the movie, "An Education," which I had already almost forgotten about, having seen the preview a few weeks ago. I enjoy this actress quite a bit--she has a uniqueness about her and she pulls me in. I enjoyed this.

Sandeee, Seattle, WA

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Thank you Beverly,I really enjoyed reading about your intimate conversation with Forest, of whom I am a great admirer. I look forward to seeing the film "Our Family Wedding."

Yoka, Westlake Village, CA

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Thank you for the sending me the beautiful article you wrote about Ireland. We will use your recomendations for hotels in the Southern part. We plan to also go to Dublin and some other Northern cities so I will get some recommendations for these from others. After reading your article, I am getting more excited about going. I think we will be in Ireland for 8 days altogether.

Leah Mendelsohn, Santa Monica, CA

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Very much enjoyed Ms. Cohn's article about Munich, especially the visuals. Though it has been 25 years since my last visit, the piece brought back countless pleasant memories of the city and the people!! Many thanks.

Lawrence, Los Angeles

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Marianplatz and that general area is truly one of the best Christmas celebrations in the world. Between that and Oktoberfest (which I can only imagine) Munich is one of the greatest cities in the world for major annual events.

Christopher Dale, New York, NY

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Hi Bev, you have done some wonderful pieces on some great celebs...Great work. The travel articles are just wonderful too.

Scott Mueller, Huntington Beach, CA

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Your great Zurich article makes me want to go there for the holidays! I love the photos, too, especially the ones of you in the sleigh, the view over the houses and the zoo!

Anna Marie, Santa Monica, CA

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Lovely article! As a European, and having been to Zurich (albeit in summer) I can vouch for this lovely city. Great pictures, too!

Helene Robins, Santa Monica, CA

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Hi Bev,

Nice review, nice seeing you, nice website interface "...Talk to Bev" - Enjoy your Thanksgiving!

Richard D. Kaye, Marina del Rey, CA

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Hi Bev,

Your interview with John Cusack is very interesting. I always wondered why these actors/actresses always get top billing when really, if you think about it, the real work come from the animators, writers and tech whizzes who spend far more hours on the movie than those actors. I know, I know, it's the all about marketing. The names of these actors are what bring in the big bucks. Still, I think these actors are way overpaid for the "little" that they do.

I remember that once upon a time, the early animation classics never mentioned the voices behind the characters. I think it was only later when Walt Disney tapped into the voices of known celebrities like Walter Matthau in the Jungle Book or Zsa Zsa Gabor in The Rescuers that the voices became a marketing magnet.

Keep up the good work. I enjoy your interviews as you peer into the lives of the Hollywood celebrities.

Peter Paul of South Pasadena, CA

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