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Bev Cohn: Woody Allen
Woody Allen –
Auteur Extraordinaire

By Beverly Cohn

Woody Allen
Woody Allen, the man with the golden mind. Courtesy Photo

ake the Money and Run," "Bananas," "Play It Again, Sam," "Manhattan," "Zelig," "Hannah and Her Sisters," "Bullets Over Broadway," "Match Point," "Cassandra's Dream," "Vicky Cristina Barcelona," "Deconstructing Harry," "Crimes and Misdemeanors," "Midnight in Paris," and the iconic "Annie Hall," represents a brief list of Woody Allen's gigantic body of work which began in 1965 with "What's New Pussycat." He was an Oscar contender seven times for Best Director, winning for "Annie Hall;" nominated fifteen times for Best Original Screenplay which he won for "Annie Hall," "Hannah and Her Sisters," and "Midnight in Paris." Three of his films received Best Picture nominations, with "Annie Hall" taking the Oscar.

Allen was in Los Angeles recently and held a press conference with most of his cast to publicize his latest film "To Rome With Love," which co-stars the writer/director himself, Alec Baldwin, Roberto Benigni, Penelope Cruz, Judy Davis, Jesse Eisenberg, Greta Gerwig, Alessandra Mastronardi , Antonio Albanese, Fabio Armiliato, and Ellen Page. Although the actresses participated in the press conference, only the Woody Allen portion is being presented here and has been edited for continuity and print purposes.

Woody Allen with Roberto Benigni in a scene from 'To Rome With Love'
Woody Allen with Roberto Benigni in a scene from "To Rome With Love."
Photo by Philippe Antonello (c) Gravier Productions, Inc. Courtesy of Sony Pictures Classics

Do you choose actors who are compatible with your style of humor?

Allen: They don't have to be. I cast them because they're perfect for what I've written. I didn't think Roberto Benigni would be compatible with me. I thought that I would have a difficult time with him and that he would be irrepressible and I'd never be able to get his attention. I thought he's be running around and be crazy but in the end, it turned out that he was quite intellectual and quite poised and quite a pleasure to work with.

Why did you decide to be in front of the camera again?

Allen: Only because there was a part for me. (Laughter) As I've gotten older, the parts have diminished. I liked it when I was younger because I could always play the lead in the movie and I could do all the romantic scenes with the women and it was fun and I liked it. Now I'm older and reduced to playing the backstage doorman or the uncle or something and I don't really love that. (Laughter)

You've said that you write ideas on notes and put them in a drawer. Was "To Rome With Love" one of those?

Allen: I have a lot of notes on ideas that come to me in the course of a year and I write them down and throw them in a drawer. Then I go and look at them and many of them seem very unfunny and foolish and I can't imagine what I was thinking when I originally did it. But sometimes I'll pull out an idea from a note written on a matchbook or on a piece of paper that says 'a man who can only sing in the shower' and it will occur to me that this could make a funny story, and that's what happened with this film.

How did you find Fabio Armiliato who plays the undertaker who can only sing in the shower?

Allen: We searched a long time to find somebody who could actually sing opera and who could speak a little English and could act a little bit. Fabio (a famous Italian tenor) had all those qualities. He lived in New York for a year with his wife and spoke English pretty well. He was a pretty good actor and had a lovely singing voice, so we were very lucky.

Roberto Benigni in a street scene from the movie 'To Rome With Love'
Roberto Benigni as Leopoldo gains instant fame for no apparent reason. Photo by Philippe Antonello (c) Gravier Productions, Inc. Courtesy of Sony Pictures Classics

What is it about Rome that made you decide to make the setting there?

Allen: There are two things: One is I have been talking about making a film in Rome for years with the people in Rome who distribute my films. Finally they said, look come and do it and we'll put up all the money necessary to make the film. I jumped at the chance because I wanted to work in Rome and it was an opportunity to get the money quickly from a single source.

Is it an inevitable that if you shoot in Rome you are eventually going to shoot in a location from a Fellini movie?

Allen: Probably inevitable. I didn't know Rome very well and the art director went around finding pretty locations and interesting locations and I had no idea if any of them had been used in other movies. I was seeing many of the places for the first time.

Can you talk about why you always use music in your movies?

Allen: I'm a big believer in music in movies. It covers a multitude of sins. Now a really great director like Ingmar Bergmann did not believe in music and thought that using music in film was barbaric. His films were great enough so he didn't need any outside help. I need help and noticed that in one of the first movies I ever made, "Take the Money and Run." There were scenes that were dying when I looked at them in the cutting room and the editor said put a piece of music behind it. He put this record on and all of the sudden, something that was so boring originally, came to life. When you start dropping in a little George Gershwin or a little Mozart, things suddenly become lively and magical.

Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz in a scene from Woody Allen's 'Vicky Cristina Barcelona'
Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz in a scene from Woody Allen's "Vicky Cristina Barcelona." Courtesy Photo

Why do you tell your actors to improvise?

Allen: I have great faith in actors and when they improvise it always sounds better than the stuff I write in my bedroom. I'm alone, isolated in New York and when we get on the set, it feels different to the actors and when they improvise, they make it sound alive. In Vicky Cristina Barcelona, Javier (Bardem) and Penelope improvised whenever they felt like it. They would speak in Spanish and I don't speak a word of Spanish and to this day, there are scenes in that picture that I have no idea what they're saying. (Much laughter) I just assumed they knew what they were doing professionally and I was right.

Woody Allen setting up a shot with the cast of 'To Rome With Love'
Woody Allen sets up a cafe scene with his cast. Photo by Philippe Antonello (c) Gravier Productions, Inc. Courtesy of Sony Pictures Classics

How closely do you work with the cast?

Allen: I try to avoid the cast because they come up with these questions and I either don't know the answer or don't want to give them an answer. So I avoid speaking to the actors as much as possible. (Laughter)

Why do you love making films?

Allen: Real life is generally much duller and inevitably sadder most of the time, but in film you control everything that's going on so you can indulge the most fantastic, romantic, escapist kinds of feelings and fantasies. You can do anything you want, so that's why it's very seductive and pleasurable to earn your living making movies, because you're not living in the real world. You wake up every morning and you go to work and you're surrounded by beautiful women and scintillating guys who are handsome and witty and gifted and you make up stories and everybody has costumes and the music is beautiful. You live your life not in the real world and you create something that's completely fabricated and escapist and it's great, but it's not real, but it's fun.

Scarlett Johansson & Jonathan Rhys Meyers in a scene from the movie 'Match Point'
Scarlett Johansson & Jonathan Rhys Meyers in a scene from Woody Allen's
"Match Point." Courtesy Photo

For decades you said you would never leave New York to make a film, but for the last eight or ten years, why have you been shooting in Europe?

Allen: It was strictly financial. The first one was "Match Point" which was not a funny story, but they gave me the money to make it in London and I was happy to make there. Then I found that other countries started calling me.

poster for the Woody Allen film 'Midnight in Paris'
Owen Wilson starred in Woody Allen's award-winning "Midnight in Paris."
Courtesy Photo

Barcelona wanted me to make a film and then Paris and Rome. So it's an interesting experience and the change of venue cannot do anything but help. I made thirty or forty pictures in New York and then suddenly you find yourself working in London or Barcelona or Rome and the necessity of accommodating to these exotic new surroundings forces you into areas that you would not have otherwise explored. It gives it a certain freshness and exuberance.

poster for the movie 'Annie Hall'
Woody Allen's "Annie Hall" was awarded an Oscar for Best Picture, Best Director and Best Original Screenplay Play. Courtesy Photo

I've been lucky that the films that I've made in foreign countries have been coming out good and I'm sure the fact that I'm not making them in New York has been one contributing factor. I think "Match Point" would have worked in New York and I had originally written it for New York, but doing it in London, gave it certain freshness. I wasn't again shooting in Central Park or on Broadway or Park Avenue and that alone made a contribution, just as Rome in this picture, the scenery and the very Roman sensibility, makes a contribution to the picture that's beyond anything I can contribute. It's just pleasurable for the viewer to watch a story unfold in that atmosphere. As long as that works for me, and they keep putting the money up, I'll do it.

"Annie Hall" is considered the quintessential Woody Allen. Would you agree?

Allen: When "Annie Hall" started out, that film was not supposed to be what I wound up with. That film was supposed to be what happens in a guy's mind and you were supposed to see a stream of consciousness of his mind. I did the film and it was completely incoherent and nobody understood anything that went on.

Woody Allen with Diane Keaton in a scene from 'Annie Hall'
"...that film was not supposed to be what I wound up with. The relationship between Diane Keaton and myself was all anyone cared about." Courtesy Photo

The relationship between Diane Keaton and myself was all anyone cared about. That was not what I cared about. That was one small part of another big canvas that I had in mind and in the end, I had to reduce the film to just me and Diane Keaton and that relationship. So I was quite disappointed in that movie as I was with other films of mine that were very popular.

Mia Farrow, Barbara Hershey, and Diane Wiest in the film 'Hannah and Her Sisters'
L-R: Mia Farrow, Barbara Hershey, and Diane Wiest starred in "Hannah and Her Sisters" which earned Woody Allen an Oscar for Best Original Screenplay.
Courtesy Photo

"Hannah and Her Sisters" was a big disappointment because I had to compromise my original intention tremendously to survive with the film. So, you're asking the wrong person.

poster for the film 'What's New Pussycat?'
Shot in 1965, "What's New Pussycat" was Woody Allen's first film with the famed writer/director/actor making one film a year since then. Courtesy Photo

Of all the films you've made, is there one that is most memorable for you?

Allen: You know when you make a film, it's like a chef that works on a meal. After you work all day in the kitchen, dicing and cutting and putting the sauces on, you don't want to eat it and that's how I feel about the films. I work on it for a year. I've written it, I work with the actors, I edit, I put the music in, and I never want to see it again. When I begin a film, I always think that I going to make "The Bicycle Thief" or "Grand Illusion" or "Citizen Kane" and I'm convinced that this will be the greatest thing that ever hit celluloid. Then when I see what I've done, I'm praying that it's not an embarrassment to me. I've never been satisfied or pleased with a film that I've done. I made my first film in 1965 and I've never seen it since. I just cringe when I see them. I don't like them because there's a big gap between what you conceived in your mind when you're writing and you don't have to meet the test of reality. You're home and it's funny and it's beautiful and it's romantic and dramatic and then you have to show up on a cold morning and the actors are there, and you're there, and you don't have enough of this, and this goes wrong, and you make a wrong choice on something, and you've screwed up here, and see what you got the next day, and you can't go back. There's such a difference between the idealized film in your mind and what you wind up with that you're never happy. You're never satisfied. I'm always thankful that the audience bails me out and have liked some of them in spite of my disappointment. (Laughter) So for me, I've never liked any of my films because they're always less than the masterpiece that I was certain I was destined to make.

Alec Baldwin in a scene from the movie 'To Rome With Love'
L-R: Alec Baldwin plays John, a successful architect visiting Rome who is relives his youth through Jack (Jesse Eisenberg). Photo by Philippe Antonello (c) Gravier Productions, Inc. Courtesy of Sony Pictures Classic

In the film, Alec Baldwin takes a trip down memory lane. If you could go back in time, what would you tell your younger self?

Allen: What would I tell myself? Don't do that! (Laughter) I would like to back in time, but just for lunch. (Laughter) I would not like to live in the past because there are all those drawbacks that I've mentioned in my other movies. You don't get anesthetic when you go to the dentist, you don't get antibiotics, you don't get the things that you're use to now - cell phones, televisions, faster ambulances - things that are very convenient. But it would be fun, if every now and then, just to meet a friend for lunch at Maxim's in Paris in 1900 or go back to 1870 just for a couple of hours and then come right back to Broadway.

Woody Allen sets up a shot with Flavio Parenti and Alison Pill
With a beautiful Roman fountain in the background, Woody sets up a shot with Flavio Parenti and Alison Pill. Photo by Philippe Antonello (c) Gravier Productions, Inc. Courtesy of Sony Pictures Classics

Your character equates retirement with death. Do you feel the same way or would you step away from the camera?

Allen: Retirement is a very subjective thing. There are guys I know that retire and they're very happy. They travel all over the world. They go fishing, they play with their grandchildren and they never miss work at all. Then there are other people, and I'm one of that kind, that likes to work all the time. I just like it and can't see myself retiring and fondling dogs. (Laughter) I love to get up and work. I have too much energy and too much nervous anxiety or something. So I don't see myself retiring. Now maybe I'll suddenly get a stroke or a heart attack and I'll be forced to retire, but if my health holds out, I don't expect to retire. The money could run out. (Laughter) It could be sooner or later the guys that back the films get wise and then they say that this is not really worth all the suffering and might stop giving me the money. But, I still wouldn't retire. I would still write for the theatre or write books.

The Roberto Benigni character has fame suddenly thrust upon him. How do you feel about fame in your own life?

Allen: As the chauffeur in the film says life is tough whether you're famous or not famous and in the end, it's probably of those two choices, better to be famous (Laughter) because the perks are better. You get better seats at the basketball game, you get better tables and reservations and if I call a doctor on Saturday morning, I can get him. There are a lot of indulgences that you don't get if you're not famous. Now, I'm not saying it's fair. It's kind of disgusting (Laughter) but I can't say that I don't enjoy it. (Laughter) There are drawbacks on being famous, but you can live with those. They're not life threatening. If the paparazzi are outside your restaurant or your house, and actors make such a big thing of it, and scurry into cars and drape things over their heads. You would think they were going to be crucified or something. So the bad stuff is greatly outweighed by the dinner reservations. (Roaring laughter)

You've mastered the art and study of relationships in your films. What is the greatest lesson you've learned about love?

Allen: I was saying to someone before about the important things in life you never learn anything. You know, you could learn technological things - you could learn about specific things, but real problems that people deal with in any subject - existential subjects or romantic subjects, you never learn anything so you make a fool of yourself when your twenty, you make a fool of yourself at forty, at sixty, and at eighty. The ancient Greeks were dealing with these problems. They screwed up all the time, just as people do now. All over the world relationships between men and women are very, very tricky and very difficult and you don't learn anything. It's not an exact science. You're always going by instinct and your instinct betrays you because you want what you want when you want it. So it's very tough. Very tough going and most relationships don't work out and don't last long and when you see one that's really lovely, it's a rarity. It's great that two people, with all their complex, exquisite needs, have found each other and all the wires go into the right places and it's great. So, I've learned nothing. (Laughter) After years and years of failure, I've not got anything to say. No wisdom. (Laughter)

(The Journalists uncharacteristically applaud at the end of the press conference)

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Thanks so much for those lovely tourism photos, especially of Ireland. I certainly enjoyed all the places you suggested, and am working towards my next vacation. Don’t forget Cuba. That’s an exciting place.

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Thank you, Bev. This reminded me to go see the movie, "An Education," which I had already almost forgotten about, having seen the preview a few weeks ago. I enjoy this actress quite a bit--she has a uniqueness about her and she pulls me in. I enjoyed this.

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Thank you for the sending me the beautiful article you wrote about Ireland. We will use your recomendations for hotels in the Southern part. We plan to also go to Dublin and some other Northern cities so I will get some recommendations for these from others. After reading your article, I am getting more excited about going. I think we will be in Ireland for 8 days altogether.

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Marianplatz and that general area is truly one of the best Christmas celebrations in the world. Between that and Oktoberfest (which I can only imagine) Munich is one of the greatest cities in the world for major annual events.

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Hi Bev, you have done some wonderful pieces on some great celebs...Great work. The travel articles are just wonderful too.

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Your great Zurich article makes me want to go there for the holidays! I love the photos, too, especially the ones of you in the sleigh, the view over the houses and the zoo!

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Lovely article! As a European, and having been to Zurich (albeit in summer) I can vouch for this lovely city. Great pictures, too!

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Hi Bev,

Nice review, nice seeing you, nice website interface "...Talk to Bev" - Enjoy your Thanksgiving!

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Hi Bev,

Your interview with John Cusack is very interesting. I always wondered why these actors/actresses always get top billing when really, if you think about it, the real work come from the animators, writers and tech whizzes who spend far more hours on the movie than those actors. I know, I know, it's the all about marketing. The names of these actors are what bring in the big bucks. Still, I think these actors are way overpaid for the "little" that they do.

I remember that once upon a time, the early animation classics never mentioned the voices behind the characters. I think it was only later when Walt Disney tapped into the voices of known celebrities like Walter Matthau in the Jungle Book or Zsa Zsa Gabor in The Rescuers that the voices became a marketing magnet.

Keep up the good work. I enjoy your interviews as you peer into the lives of the Hollywood celebrities.

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