By Beverly Cohn
Woody Allen, the man with
the golden mind. Courtesy Photo
ake the Money and Run," "Bananas," "Play It Again,
Sam," "Manhattan," "Zelig," "Hannah and
Her Sisters," "Bullets Over Broadway," "Match Point,"
"Cassandra's Dream," "Vicky Cristina Barcelona,"
"Deconstructing Harry," "Crimes and Misdemeanors,"
"Midnight in Paris," and the iconic "Annie Hall,"
represents a brief list of Woody Allen's gigantic body of work which
began in 1965 with "What's New Pussycat." He was an Oscar
contender seven times for Best Director, winning for "Annie Hall;"
nominated fifteen times for Best Original Screenplay which he won for
"Annie Hall," "Hannah and Her Sisters," and "Midnight
in Paris." Three of his films received Best Picture nominations,
with "Annie Hall" taking the Oscar.
Allen was in Los Angeles recently and held a press
conference with most of his cast to publicize his latest film "To
Rome With Love," which co-stars the writer/director himself, Alec
Baldwin, Roberto Benigni, Penelope Cruz, Judy Davis, Jesse Eisenberg,
Greta Gerwig, Alessandra Mastronardi , Antonio Albanese, Fabio Armiliato,
and Ellen Page. Although the actresses participated in the press conference,
only the Woody Allen portion is being presented here and has been edited
for continuity and print purposes.
Woody Allen with Roberto Benigni in a scene from
"To Rome With Love."
Photo by Philippe Antonello (c) Gravier Productions,
Inc. Courtesy of Sony Pictures Classics
Do you choose actors who are compatible with your
style of humor?
Allen: They don't have to be. I cast them because they're
perfect for what I've written. I didn't think Roberto Benigni would
be compatible with me. I thought that I would have a difficult time
with him and that he would be irrepressible and I'd never be able to
get his attention. I thought he's be running around and be crazy but
in the end, it turned out that he was quite intellectual and quite poised
and quite a pleasure to work with.
Why did you decide to be in front of the camera again?
Allen: Only because there was a part for me. (Laughter)
As I've gotten older, the parts have diminished. I liked it when I was
younger because I could always play the lead in the movie and I could
do all the romantic scenes with the women and it was fun and I liked
it. Now I'm older and reduced to playing the backstage doorman or the
uncle or something and I don't really love that. (Laughter)
You've said that you write ideas on notes and put
them in a drawer. Was "To Rome With Love" one of those?
Allen: I have a lot of notes on ideas that come to me
in the course of a year and I write them down and throw them in a drawer.
Then I go and look at them and many of them seem very unfunny and foolish
and I can't imagine what I was thinking when I originally did it. But
sometimes I'll pull out an idea from a note written on a matchbook or
on a piece of paper that says 'a man who can only sing in the shower'
and it will occur to me that this could make a funny story, and that's
what happened with this film.
How did you find Fabio Armiliato who plays the undertaker
who can only sing in the shower?
Allen: We searched a long time to find somebody who
could actually sing opera and who could speak a little English and could
act a little bit. Fabio (a famous Italian tenor) had all those
qualities. He lived in New York for a year with his wife and spoke English
pretty well. He was a pretty good actor and had a lovely singing voice,
so we were very lucky.
Roberto Benigni as Leopoldo gains instant
fame for no apparent reason. Photo by Philippe
Antonello (c) Gravier Productions, Inc. Courtesy of Sony Pictures
What is it about Rome that made you decide to make
the setting there?
Allen: There are two things: One is I have been talking
about making a film in Rome for years with the people in Rome who distribute
my films. Finally they said, look come and do it and we'll put up all
the money necessary to make the film. I jumped at the chance because
I wanted to work in Rome and it was an opportunity to get the money
quickly from a single source.
Is it an inevitable that if you shoot in Rome you
are eventually going to shoot in a location from a Fellini movie?
Allen: Probably inevitable. I didn't know Rome very
well and the art director went around finding pretty locations and interesting
locations and I had no idea if any of them had been used in other movies.
I was seeing many of the places for the first time.
Can you talk about why you always use music in your
Allen: I'm a big believer in music in movies. It covers
a multitude of sins. Now a really great director like Ingmar Bergmann
did not believe in music and thought that using music in film was barbaric.
His films were great enough so he didn't need any outside help. I need
help and noticed that in one of the first movies I ever made, "Take
the Money and Run." There were scenes that were dying when I looked
at them in the cutting room and the editor said put a piece of music
behind it. He put this record on and all of the sudden, something that
was so boring originally, came to life. When you start dropping in a
little George Gershwin or a little Mozart, things suddenly become lively
Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz in a scene from
Woody Allen's "Vicky Cristina Barcelona." Courtesy
Why do you tell your actors to improvise?
Allen: I have great faith in actors and when they improvise
it always sounds better than the stuff I write in my bedroom. I'm alone,
isolated in New York and when we get on the set, it feels different
to the actors and when they improvise, they make it sound alive. In
Vicky Cristina Barcelona, Javier (Bardem) and Penelope improvised
whenever they felt like it. They would speak in Spanish and I don't
speak a word of Spanish and to this day, there are scenes in that picture
that I have no idea what they're saying. (Much laughter) I just
assumed they knew what they were doing professionally and I was right.
Woody Allen sets up a cafe scene with his cast.
Photo by Philippe Antonello (c) Gravier Productions,
Inc. Courtesy of Sony Pictures Classics
How closely do you work with the cast?
Allen: I try to avoid the cast because they come up
with these questions and I either don't know the answer or don't want
to give them an answer. So I avoid speaking to the actors as much as
Why do you love making films?
Allen: Real life is generally much duller and inevitably
sadder most of the time, but in film you control everything that's going
on so you can indulge the most fantastic, romantic, escapist kinds of
feelings and fantasies. You can do anything you want, so that's why
it's very seductive and pleasurable to earn your living making movies,
because you're not living in the real world. You wake up every morning
and you go to work and you're surrounded by beautiful women and scintillating
guys who are handsome and witty and gifted and you make up stories and
everybody has costumes and the music is beautiful. You live your life
not in the real world and you create something that's completely fabricated
and escapist and it's great, but it's not real, but it's fun.
Scarlett Johansson & Jonathan Rhys Meyers in
a scene from Woody Allen's
"Match Point." Courtesy Photo
For decades you said you would never leave New York
to make a film, but for the last eight or ten years, why have you been
shooting in Europe?
Allen: It was strictly financial. The first one was
"Match Point" which was not a funny story, but they gave me
the money to make it in London and I was happy to make there. Then I
found that other countries started calling me.
Owen Wilson starred in Woody Allen's award-winning
"Midnight in Paris."
Barcelona wanted me to make a film and then Paris and
Rome. So it's an interesting experience and the change of venue cannot
do anything but help. I made thirty or forty pictures in New York and
then suddenly you find yourself working in London or Barcelona or Rome
and the necessity of accommodating to these exotic new surroundings
forces you into areas that you would not have otherwise explored. It
gives it a certain freshness and exuberance.
Woody Allen's "Annie Hall" was awarded
an Oscar for Best Picture, Best Director and Best Original Screenplay
Play. Courtesy Photo
I've been lucky that the films that I've made in foreign
countries have been coming out good and I'm sure the fact that I'm not
making them in New York has been one contributing factor. I think "Match
Point" would have worked in New York and I had originally written
it for New York, but doing it in London, gave it certain freshness.
I wasn't again shooting in Central Park or on Broadway or Park Avenue
and that alone made a contribution, just as Rome in this picture, the
scenery and the very Roman sensibility, makes a contribution to the
picture that's beyond anything I can contribute. It's just pleasurable
for the viewer to watch a story unfold in that atmosphere. As long as
that works for me, and they keep putting the money up, I'll do it.
"Annie Hall" is considered the quintessential
Woody Allen. Would you agree?
Allen: When "Annie Hall" started out, that
film was not supposed to be what I wound up with. That film was supposed
to be what happens in a guy's mind and you were supposed to see a stream
of consciousness of his mind. I did the film and it was completely incoherent
and nobody understood anything that went on.
"...that film was not supposed to be what I
wound up with. The relationship between Diane Keaton and myself was
all anyone cared about." Courtesy Photo
The relationship between Diane Keaton and myself was
all anyone cared about. That was not what I cared about. That was one
small part of another big canvas that I had in mind and in the end,
I had to reduce the film to just me and Diane Keaton and that relationship.
So I was quite disappointed in that movie as I was with other films
of mine that were very popular.
L-R: Mia Farrow, Barbara Hershey, and Diane Wiest
starred in "Hannah and Her Sisters" which earned Woody Allen
an Oscar for Best Original Screenplay.
"Hannah and Her Sisters" was a big disappointment
because I had to compromise my original intention tremendously to survive
with the film. So, you're asking the wrong person.
Shot in 1965, "What's New Pussycat" was
Woody Allen's first film with the famed writer/director/actor making
one film a year since then. Courtesy Photo
Of all the films you've made, is there one that is
most memorable for you?
Allen: You know when you make a film, it's like a chef
that works on a meal. After you work all day in the kitchen, dicing
and cutting and putting the sauces on, you don't want to eat it and
that's how I feel about the films. I work on it for a year. I've written
it, I work with the actors, I edit, I put the music in, and I never
want to see it again. When I begin a film, I always think that I going
to make "The Bicycle Thief" or "Grand Illusion"
or "Citizen Kane" and I'm convinced that this will be the
greatest thing that ever hit celluloid. Then when I see what I've done,
I'm praying that it's not an embarrassment to me. I've never been satisfied
or pleased with a film that I've done. I made my first film in 1965
and I've never seen it since. I just cringe when I see them. I don't
like them because there's a big gap between what you conceived in your
mind when you're writing and you don't have to meet the test of reality.
You're home and it's funny and it's beautiful and it's romantic and
dramatic and then you have to show up on a cold morning and the actors
are there, and you're there, and you don't have enough of this, and
this goes wrong, and you make a wrong choice on something, and you've
screwed up here, and see what you got the next day, and you can't go
back. There's such a difference between the idealized film in your mind
and what you wind up with that you're never happy. You're never satisfied.
I'm always thankful that the audience bails me out and have liked some
of them in spite of my disappointment. (Laughter) So for me,
I've never liked any of my films because they're always less than the
masterpiece that I was certain I was destined to make.
L-R: Alec Baldwin plays John, a successful architect
visiting Rome who is relives his youth through Jack (Jesse Eisenberg).
Photo by Philippe Antonello (c) Gravier Productions,
Inc. Courtesy of Sony Pictures Classic
In the film, Alec Baldwin takes a trip down memory
lane. If you could go back in time, what would you tell your younger
Allen: What would I tell myself? Don't do that! (Laughter)
I would like to back in time, but just for lunch. (Laughter)
I would not like to live in the past because there are all those drawbacks
that I've mentioned in my other movies. You don't get anesthetic when
you go to the dentist, you don't get antibiotics, you don't get the
things that you're use to now - cell phones, televisions, faster ambulances
- things that are very convenient. But it would be fun, if every now
and then, just to meet a friend for lunch at Maxim's in Paris in 1900
or go back to 1870 just for a couple of hours and then come right back
With a beautiful Roman fountain in the background,
Woody sets up a shot with Flavio Parenti and Alison Pill. Photo
by Philippe Antonello (c) Gravier Productions, Inc. Courtesy of Sony
Your character equates retirement with death. Do
you feel the same way or would you step away from the camera?
Allen: Retirement is a very subjective thing. There
are guys I know that retire and they're very happy. They travel all
over the world. They go fishing, they play with their grandchildren
and they never miss work at all. Then there are other people, and I'm
one of that kind, that likes to work all the time. I just like it and
can't see myself retiring and fondling dogs. (Laughter) I love
to get up and work. I have too much energy and too much nervous anxiety
or something. So I don't see myself retiring. Now maybe I'll suddenly
get a stroke or a heart attack and I'll be forced to retire, but if
my health holds out, I don't expect to retire. The money could run out.
(Laughter) It could be sooner or later the guys that back the
films get wise and then they say that this is not really worth all the
suffering and might stop giving me the money. But, I still wouldn't
retire. I would still write for the theatre or write books.
The Roberto Benigni character has fame suddenly thrust
upon him. How do you feel about fame in your own life?
Allen: As the chauffeur in the film says life is tough
whether you're famous or not famous and in the end, it's probably of
those two choices, better to be famous (Laughter) because the
perks are better. You get better seats at the basketball game, you get
better tables and reservations and if I call a doctor on Saturday morning,
I can get him. There are a lot of indulgences that you don't get if
you're not famous. Now, I'm not saying it's fair. It's kind of disgusting
(Laughter) but I can't say that I don't enjoy it. (Laughter)
There are drawbacks on being famous, but you can live with those. They're
not life threatening. If the paparazzi are outside your restaurant or
your house, and actors make such a big thing of it, and scurry into
cars and drape things over their heads. You would think they were going
to be crucified or something. So the bad stuff is greatly outweighed
by the dinner reservations. (Roaring laughter)
You've mastered the art and study of relationships
in your films. What is the greatest lesson you've learned about love?
Allen: I was saying to someone before about the important
things in life you never learn anything. You know, you could learn technological
things - you could learn about specific things, but real problems that
people deal with in any subject - existential subjects or romantic subjects,
you never learn anything so you make a fool of yourself when your twenty,
you make a fool of yourself at forty, at sixty, and at eighty. The ancient
Greeks were dealing with these problems. They screwed up all the time,
just as people do now. All over the world relationships between men
and women are very, very tricky and very difficult and you don't learn
anything. It's not an exact science. You're always going by instinct
and your instinct betrays you because you want what you want when you
want it. So it's very tough. Very tough going and most relationships
don't work out and don't last long and when you see one that's really
lovely, it's a rarity. It's great that two people, with all their complex,
exquisite needs, have found each other and all the wires go into the
right places and it's great. So, I've learned nothing. (Laughter)
After years and years of failure, I've not got anything to say. No wisdom.
(The Journalists uncharacteristically applaud at
the end of the press conference)